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    Posted: May 23 2011 at 5:29pm
They won't rush to the theaters. But if BEAVER flops anyway, it will be for the many reasons a good movie can still flop: limited release, bad marketing, people choosing the blockbuster instead, etc. 

This theory applies mostly when the controversial celebrity isn't an actor. That's why Roman Polanski's movies are still doing well: he's off-screen...unless you count his small role in RUSH HOUR 3. 

Originally posted by Michaels

Oh, I beg to differ. You seriously think that if a big name star were to be arrested on rape or murder charges and be sentenced to life in prison, that the studios would still put his/her last movie out and audiences would rush to the thearters to see it? No, my friend, that movie wouldn't see the light of day ever again. OJ Simpson had a few movies that were in post-production just before he was arrested, and they are probably inside a vault somewhere, collecting dust. The American public is only so forgiving.
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Originally posted by Vits

They won't rush to the theaters.But if it flops anyway it will be for the many reasons why a good movie would flop:limited release,bad marketing,people choosing the blockbuster instead,etc.
I'm just saying, I highly doubt that anyone would pay to see a movie starring a a convited murderer or rapist in it. Granted, Gibson isn't either of those, but his public image is in the toilet and that's my whole point. Stars need to be well liked by the public if they want their careers to continue, but Gibson isn't well liked. 
"Just once I want my life to be like an 80's movie ... but, no, no. John Hughes did not direct my life." ("Easy A", 2010)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Patsi45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2011 at 6:21pm
It's amazing to me how many people who don't know Mel Gibson personally can judge him so harshly.  That being said, I think he's an incredible actor and if his career is over (which I don't think it is) it would be huge loss.   I just hope that he's gotten the help he needs and that he recovers all that he's lost.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 4:13am
I don't think one has to know Mel Gibson personally to make some relevant judgments. Given his drunken outburst aimed at a couple of police officers that were simply out protecting folks like you and me from drunken drivers like Mel, we can call "Strike ONE!" Given that said outburst included some vapid anti-semitic characterizations, and the fact that Mel's father is a known Holocaust denier, we can call "Strike TWO!".  The fact that his judgement was so poor that he got behind the wheel of a car at all when he was that stinking drunk is close to strike three, but given that a lot of people have done that, I guess we have to hold off a moment before sending him to the bench.  

Originally posted by Patsi45

It's amazing to me how many people who don't know Mel Gibson personally can judge him so harshly.  That being said, I think he's an incredible actor and if his career is over (which I don't think it is) it would be huge loss.   I just hope that he's gotten the help he needs and that he recovers all that he's lost.
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And strike THREE, he threatened his girlfriend. Now, I don't know where everyone stands on domestic violence, but for me, NO woman deserves to be shouted at like that, I don't care what she said or did to get him that mad at her. 

It's like when people said Rihanna probably deserved to be beaten up like she was by Chris Brown. Rihanna had bruises the size of devil's horns, I don't care what she did or said in that car that night, no woman deserves that. 

So for me, when it comes to Mel, that's three strikes, he's out for good...end of that.  

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

I don't think one has to know Mel Gibson personally to make some relevant judgements. Given his drunken outburst aimed at a couple of police officers that were simply out protecting folks like you and me from drunken drivers like Mel, we can call "Strike ONE!" Given that said outburst included some vapid anti-semitic characterizations, and the fact that Mel's father is a known holocaust denier, we can call "Strike TWO!".  The fact that his judgement was so poor that he got behind the wheel of a car at all when he was that stinking drunk is close to strike three, but given that a lot of people have done that, I guess we have to hold off a moment before sending him to the bench.
 

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According to the press, Mel has displayed some terrible behavior and in regard to that, I'm praying for him. On the other hand, he's been a blessing to many  as well and for that, I thank God, and will reserve judgment, since I don't feel like I'm in a position to "cast any stones." 
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Originally posted by Patsi45

According to the press, Mel has displayed some terrible behavior and in regard to that, I'm praying for him. On the other hand, he's been a blessing to many  as well and for that, I thank God, and will reserve judgment, since I don't feel like I'm in a position to "cast any stones." 
Was Mel in any position to cast stones at the Jewish faith in Passion of the Christ?
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No one is in a position to cast stones since "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I haven't seen Passion of the Christ but it was my understanding that the movie is based on  the gospels and if Mel remained true to scripture, the movie would have to indicate that the Jews of the day took part in Jesus' death because they considered His claim that He was their promised Messiah blasphemous and according to Jewish law, that was an offense worthy of death.  The movie also should have shown the Gentiles involvement in His crucification since the Jews didn't have the authority to impose a death sentence.

Ultimately, if the movie is based  on the biblical account of Jesus' crucification, then it would have to emphasize  that Jesus' death was an essential part of God's plan for our salvation.  Jesus said  that no one takes his life from him, but he laid it down of his own accord. "I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."  John 10:18
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2011 at 8:46am
Why do people continue with that?I saw THE PASSION and didn't see any anti-semitism.
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Nothing against you, Patsi45, but your posts just made me cringe...  

I don't want to start another of discussion about religion (because the last time it directed so much hatred towards me...). I do however want to ask the following questions: Why can't atheists (like me) be good people? What does "god" have to do with common decency? Is someone a bad person if he/she doesn't have "Christian values"? 

Judgment of a (probably fictional) higher being is one thing, choosing to be kind and respectful to others is something completely different (and doesn't have anything to do with religion)...

Update: Oh yeah... I am apparently 6 posts from 500... I am thinking of saving that one for something special....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GTAHater767 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2011 at 11:32am
Yeah! And what of Mel Gibson focusing on how Jesus got killed in The Passion of the Christ? I believe that it's not how Jesus Christ died that made him a hero, it is how he lived. (Correct me if I'm thinking of the armed forces!) Focusing on how he got killed was what cost people their well-being in the dark ages.
 
Does anyone here, by any chance, think The Passion was a snuff film?
 
By the way, I'm also secular, so I'll be irked if anyone here thinks I'm inferior, a bad person, etc. just because I don't follow a religion. However, I will admit I definitely don't have the "Christian value" of starting a "traditional" or "mom, pop, and the kids" style family.
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Here's the deal:

It's not bad to be an atheist.A lot of times other religions try convincing them.That's wrong because people are entitled to choose,and if you're adults then you know what you're doing however.However,that's not the real issue.They try convincing them because,nowadays,most people become atheist not because they're more scientific,but because they're angry.My grandpa is a Holocaust survivor and he doesn't believe in God mainly* because he "can't" believe in someone who would let that happen.

I'm a christian,but not very religious.I never go to church or pray.But I'm still bugged when someone choose to not believe for reasons like that.I'm not concerned that people will go to Hell for not believing(that's fanatism),I'm concerned that people will live with resentment.

GTA,you cheated.You made a SOUTH PARK reference without saying the episode.LOL Anyway,I strongly believed in that.Yeah,I liked THE PASSION,but I also believe that's a great movie for atheists.If people believe in Jesus and love him,they should watch one of those Easter specials.That movie is better for non-believers because it shows the suffering of a person,regardless if he was the messiah.

It wasn't a snuff film,because it used FX rather than real corpses and blood.But if you meant to ask if it was an explotation film...that doesn't depend on how graphic the movie is,but on the reasons and purposes to be that graphic.Take Larry Clark:KIDS wasn't explotation,but KEN PARK was.

*He also believes in evolution.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vheid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2011 at 11:55pm
Vits: I am not resentful towards Christians... My parents and my little brother are all Christians and I still have a very good bond with them... I just don't like it when people imply that you have to believe in their God to be a good person...
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I for one don't even understand why there is such hatred towards the Jewish faith to begin with. This faith makes up a very small portion of the world population. Various forms of Catholism and Islam are the top two religions, followed by atheism, with all three ranking in the hundreds of millions. Judaism, on the other hand, isn't even among the top five religions, it's numbers are only in the hundred thousands. There are more Buddists and Hindus in the world than Jews. So it's not like Judism is some kind of threat to any other faith. And the Jews really haven't caused great injustices to society, like Catholics and Muslims have (in the name of their faiths) over the centuries. 

Just saying...  


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I couldn't agree more...  



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2011 at 1:13pm
I meant being resentful toward the idea of there being a God, or the world, life, etc. Seriously, wherever you go there's someone who will say: "You believe in God?! But what about all the bad things that happen in the world?!"   

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Vits, I am not resentful towards Christians...
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