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    Posted: April 28 2009 at 5:54am

* The music was widely considered to be the low point of the movie, but several of the songs used in the movie were referenced directly in the comic, apparently. 99 Luftballons was more relevant than people realize, because it's a song about nuclear war, which people don't always know.
* The love triangle is important in that it establishes why Dr. Manhattan leaves Earth.
* The Comedian's relationship with Silk Spectre is important because it leads us to why Dr. Manhattan re-affirms his relationship with humanity. The whole "oxygen into gold=miracle" spiel.
* The Comedian killing the hooker scene was important because it shows definitively the Comedian's perception of human nature, and more importantly, Dr. Manhattan's apathy toward it.
* The point of showing the Silk Spectre flashback twice was that she didn't remember the entire scenario the first time, as she'd blocked it out or not understood it as a child, and then finally seeing it again, she comes to the realization that the Comedian did her mom after all, and he was her real dad. Which in turn, leads Dr. Manhattan to understand that Laurie's existence was something of a miracle.
* The use of Nixon specifically is a reference to one of Moore's central themes, the use of agression vs. diplomacy. The entire story was meant as a commentary on the Reagan administration, but he used Nixon as a foil to that end, as to not be as blunt as to come out and say Reagan. In the comic book, it's mentioned that "R.R" was running for president, but we were supposed to assume Robert Redford (although, I think Robert Redford would've been quite a bit different in office than Reagan.) In the movie, they used Reagan directly as he's been gone a long time at this point.
* The sex scene is in the comic, but yea, perhaps it was drawn out a little much in the movie. Gotta give em boobies to keep em interested.
* Rorschach is killed in the comic the same way. It was pointed out that they turned his bloodstain into a rorschach blot for the movie, which may have been an improvement over the book, actually. But if he had lived and gone back to tell people what had happened, it kinda woulda screwed the end. It's supposed to be left rather open and ambiguous.

I had to do a lot of research to get all of that information, and I had a lot of free time to look that all up (I did all that a couple of weeks ago). But yea, if you delve deep enough, the story just blows me away. The movie was very, very true to the source material. Some temporal changes, and a few line changes, but mostly very, very close. Malin Akerman wasn't all that great, and I don't think she's even that hot, but SS in the book wasn't very interesting, either, to be honest. There's still another couple of hours worth of material that COULD'VE been included, but they trimmed it very effectively. Considering the difficulty in adapting something this deep, Snyder did an awesome job. If you didn't like it, that's cool, but trussme, there was a lot going on there, and almost everything that bothered you DID have a purpose for being in there.

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You wanna know why Watchmen ain't that good. Here are some opinions from someone who seen it:* The use of music sans irony* Too much needless back story was focused over the main plot: the love triangle with Silk Specter, Nite Owl, and Dr. Manhattan; the Comedian's relations with Silk Specter; the Comedian killing a hooker that he knocked up; Silk Specter being connected to the Comedian, with scenes that were repeated TWICE (so we could be tortured with Carla Gugino soaping it up as Silk Specter's mom); and some nonsense centering around Richard Nixon. If Zack Snyder could've handled the story more properly, I would've been able to swallow it.* An elongated sex scene that would better fit Skinemax (wherever the hell that channel is)* Rorschach was one of the most interesting characters (much better helped by Jackie Earle Haley's commited performance), but was glossed over to make room for the nonsensical supporting cast, including Malin Akerman (boy, not one negative review glosses over her wooden performance). And his killing off might've been proof that the filmmakers didn't give a damn about his character.* I haven't read the comic book, so I may have been alienated. Still, at least invite me into the proceedings.Whatever. I'm out of the loop of people who like this movie. Hell, I don't think it's even in theaters anymore, and it was a big film of its genre.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RoadDogXVIII Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 6:47am
See, if I read the comic book, I'd maybe understand. But just because I didn't doesn't mean I have to be confused to hell. I'll read your post again, maybe I'll understand.
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See, I think that is why Watchmen didn't do that well at the box office, people just didn't know about the comic book, and thought whatever they saw on the screen was something some messed up screenwriter had thrown together while he was high. Warner Bros. should have really pushed the motion comic DVD as a must see in order to better understand the movie.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 10:06am
I hadn't read the comic beforehand, and I understood Watchmen just fine... The comic was not a necessity to get the movie, one just needed to have some outside the box thinking patterns. Sure there might be some things that might strike me upon reading the comic, but that does not change the fact that the movie worked just fine without it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 11:39pm
I feel that you pick up on a LOT more on a much deeper level if you really look into it, but like I told MWG, you really shouldn't HAVE to research a movie to fully understand everything in it. I personally understood the basics when I first saw it (before looking into this stuff), but it is a deep story. And it was made for the fans of the comic, rather than the average movie going public.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:22am
Having to look into a movie enhances the experience for me. If I get everything right off the bat, then there is no reason to watch it again. Leaving a bit of a reason to watch it again, just makes it so much more interesting. But then again, I'm a little bit of an odd ball.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:28am
Well yea, it's going to help make things more interesting. But my point is, how many people are going to that? Most people go to movies with the intent of becomming a dumber person for it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:45am

Which is why Remake fever has swept Hollywood. 

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Well yea, it's going to help make things more interesting. But my point is, how many people are going to that? Most people go to movies with the intent of becomming a dumber person for it.


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Remake fever is a serious medical condition. It should not be joked about -- Look at what it's done to Steve Martin!  
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Yes, Remake Fever is like the H-Wood version of the swine flu. Only it kills careers...and audience's love of movies.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 6:11am
There's a big difference. Remake fever is a real disease, and swine flu is a common ailment with a different name that's inspired mass hysteria due to the public's demand to constantly be afraid of something. Remake fever only affects moviemakers and people without any taste.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 9:43am
Originally posted by dEd Grimley

There's a big difference. Remake fever is a real disease, and swine flu is a common ailment with a different name that's inspired mass hysteria due to the public's demand to constantly be afraid of something. Remake fever only affects moviemakers and people without any taste.


I wonder if the FDA is close to approving any drugs to combat the Remake Fever Pandemic... It could very easily destroy the entertainment industry if left unchecked.

And as far as swine flu goes, I've been saying pretty much the same thing, except I blame the media for turning it into a cause for hysteria. I swear, if they gave this much publicity to every disease that killed a few people, there would be no time for anything else on TV...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:13pm
Well, they tried solving it Watchmenatrex, but it didn't seem to take to the general public as well as they'd have liked.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Well, they tried solving it Watchmenatrex, but it didn't seem to take to the general public as well as they'd have liked.

Yes, I heard one person just spat it out, not being about to notice the layers that were under the capsule's surface, and then tried to convince others should do the same.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Michaels

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Well, they tried solving it Watchmenatrex, but it didn't seem to take to the general public as well as they'd have liked.


Yes, I heard one person just spat it out, not being about to notice the layers that were under the capsule's surface, and then tried to convince others should do the same.



Lol well, he's in his right to try... I suppose.
I guess some people like the warm feeling you get with Remake Fever.
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There are people who can tolerate these remakes.  Don't you guys see them before adding them to your Worst Remake or Ripoff category?

That Movie Preview Critic says that remakes are a contribution to what he calls the Moviepocalypse meaning a sudden end to the movie industry.  Without movies, we wouldn't have anything to bitch and moan about; the Oscars and the Razzies would have no reason for existing; and Starz, HBO, Cinemax, Encore, Showtime, and TCM would be our only fallbacks.

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